September 15, 2011: We continue our two-part interview with recently-retired managing director of Ted’s
Cameras and chairman of PMA Australia, Richard Robertson.
How do you rate the recent performance of market leader
That’s a hard question to answer. I think Canon has done an
excellent job for Canon. And they’ve bought some fantastic products to market
and built a fantastic network of retailers and sub-distributors. So why would
you then go and muck it up by having a direct online sales program?
they said to me was they didn’t think they were well-represented enough online
and that’s where the customers want to shop, and that’s what Jason McLean said
in his interview with you – that he felt their distribution channels weren’t up
to the mark.
So for 40 years we haven’t been up to the mark and all of a
sudden now we have to compete with our suppliers. What part of the current
offering from all channels – specialty, CE, mass merchants and online – isn’t
being delivered now?
‘Why do they want to
go direct online? They want to double their margin. End of story.’
They’ve been heard to say that their issue is retail staff
switching preferences from Canon to other brands. Well that’s been going on
since Adam was a pup. It’s the worst excuse I’ve ever heard to justify going
They’ve stated they perceive it [the Canon online store]
to be one or two percent of their business. No one makes that sort of investment
for one or two percent of business turnover. Why do they want to go direct
online? They want to double their margin. End of story.
I think it’s fair to say Fujifilm has gained its position
in the marketplace at the expense of the independents, who had been the
cornerstone of Fujifilm’s success. The initially rose to success on the back of
minilabs and wholesale labs.
They’ve encouraged a low price strategy
through CE and mass merchants with low cost of supplies which independents can’t
compete with. While it increases foot traffic and holds people in the store
while the order is being processed, the only people who really win with
low retail prices are the manufacturers – in this case Fujifilm. It burns paper
and chemistry sales and drives their hardware and software and servicing
Anything with high churn is going to the big chains to prop up
their business – books, flowers, magazines…But definitely only as a traffic
And all the major manufacturers – Fujifilm, Kodak, Agfa,
now HP – have jumped on the mass merchant bandwagon at the expense of small
owner-operated stores at some stage.
‘…Fujifilm has gained its position in the marketplace at the expense of
the independents, who had been the cornerstone of Fujifilm’s success.’
Anyway, let’s re-visit this after we hear what Canon and Fuji
have to say at the PMA meeting up in Sydney.
How would you rate HP so
I think that their product – once all the bugs were ironed out –
is an excellent product, though not with the quality of silver
They need to be more responsive to the local market, Someone in
Australia who can make decisions in a timely fashion. Their business structure
is so convoluted any decisions take six months. It’s usually the right decision,
but sometimes you need an answer today.
Servicing is an issue because of
all the different components. When it was just an [Agfa] MCS 2 the serviceman
had been working on the the same machine for 10 years and could fix it in his
Stand back, take the emotion out
of your view of your business, and have the balls to stand aside if that’s
Peter De Janko comes to mind – he said, ‘I don’t want to do
it, I don’t want to put my head in the landlord’s noose for another five years.
I want to get out..’
Peter was in the one store for 31 years serving the
same customers day in day out, dealing with the same landlord who ripped him off
mercilessly for most of those years. There comes a point in time when you’ve got
to say, ‘I can keep going’ (and he could have as he had a wonderful business)
‘but there’s other things in life to do.’
And there’s other things in
life I want to do .
Am I going to come back to retailing? No – especially
not photographic retailing. I might find something to do, but if the first two
weeks retired have been any indication, there’s enough to stimulate me and I’m
sure I can find people to talk to about business if I want to.
wanted to contact me about how their business is going and what they should do I
can always give free advice. But only on Thursday mornings between 9 and 10!
closing, I’ll say that the future will be as bright as the world allows us to
make it. We are not in control of the economy and the politicians certainly
aren’t or it wouldn’t be in the shit it is in. So whatever is going to be will
What people have to do is stand back and take an honest look at what
they are doing and see if there’s a better or a cheaper way to do it. Look at
In general we [photo retailers] are very good buyers and
very poor stock managers Good employers, but we can’t find it in our hearts to
let people go or we replace them without considering if we could live without
that person for 6 months and see how it goes.
You end up being top heavy
in staff, top heavy in administration and top heavy in stock. On falling sales
and falling margins.
Prepare for the good times because the good times
are probably only one or two years away. Have you repositioned your business to
take advantage of the good times?
Maybe those businesses who are in
bricks and mortar now would be better to transfer to just a straight online
business. So you might end up with, say, Parramatta Camera Store instead of
being in Parramatta being online. Take the business out of Westfield and put it
in the garage – what’s to stop them doing that?
expressed in this and last week’s interview are those of Richard Robertson, and
do not represent those of the current management of Ted’s Cameras.